Have you heard from USB yet?

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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby Virtual_Davey » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:15 am

Thank you, I'll try your settings. I notice that using the joystick drivers along with USBQHCI and the TSR files uses alot of resources. Making 80% of my DOS games either run very slow or fail to load due to lack of memory. Many times when I attempt to copy a file over from the flash drive to the C drive, it gives me a bad sector error.
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby watlers world » Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:39 pm

Since your computer has 128mb of RAM you may benefit from SETXMSTO.
http://www.uwe-sieber.de/files/xmsdsk.zip
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby watlers world » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:39 am

USBUHCI is working well !

This new Sabrent AU-MMSA has not died. 8-)
I used it to write a new windows 3.1 USB wave driver.
http://win3x.conforums.com/index.cgi?bo ... 1502074622

Virtual_Davey, what type/brand of USB sound card do you have?
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby Virtual_Davey » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:17 am

watlers world wrote:USBUHCI is working well !

This new Sabrent AU-MMSA has not died. 8-)
I used it to write a new windows 3.1 USB wave driver.
http://win3x.conforums.com/index.cgi?bo ... 1502074622

Virtual_Davey, what type/brand of USB sound card do you have?


Here is a picture of my USB sound card:
http://thumbsnap.com/IZhavkxo

Perhaps I should purchase a Sabrent AU-MMSA?

EDIT- Is this the card you're using?: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IR ... R7PE&psc=1
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby watlers world » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:05 am

Virtual_Davey, your device reminds me of my deceased 3D SOUND.
Make certain that it works before trying it with my windows 3.1 driver.

Run/install USBUHCI,PCIUSB64.EXE and USNDTSR.EXE.

Then run USBDEVIC to make certain that the 3D SOUND is properly detected/connected.

Make sure that usbwav.dll is in windows/system folder.
You can install it from control panel drivers setup dialog or
you can add the driver manually to SYSTEM.INI:
[drivers]
wave=usbwav.dll


When windows first starts you should hear static noises.
Run 123usb/activate/usbpoke.exe and click the loop button once to enable the windows driver.

After you press loop, the static should stop and windows sounds should play.




Virtual_Davey, does MPXPLAY for DOS work with your built in audio ?
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby watlers world » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:27 am

When new, both the 3D SOUND and my new Sabrent device sounded fine.

The 3D SOUND died after a few thousand on/off cycles and after testing it on many old computers.
I have not yet tested my Sabrent device to the same degree.

Sabrent said the AU-MMSA was OK with USB 1.0.
So far both the left and right channels of the Sabrent AU_MMSA are still operational.

My USB 3D SOUND failed after about two weeks of heavy use.
If the Sabrent device survives , I will recommend it.

I've not tested other brands of USB audio devices.

Since I have only one working USB audio device , my driver only supports only one USB audio device at a time.
However, with 123USB , you should be able to play two windows wave files at once.
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby Virtual_Davey » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:39 am

When I attempt to install your sound driver via control panel (it's listed as "Software Mixer") I get this message and can't proceed further : "insert the disk with the updated polywave.dll driver". It doesn't seem to be in any of your folders.
I just downloaded MPXPLAY and yes, I can play wav files (music, voice, sound effects) with my built in audio.
USBDEVIC sees my device (which i've tested and confirmed working) but it doesn't seem to know what to do with it.
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby watlers world » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:13 am

I have corrected oemsetup.inf and updated the zip file.
http://turkeys4me.byethost4.com/files/123USB.zip
The main 123usb folder should contain usbwav.dll

Have you examined my HDA tests yet?
http://win3x.conforums.com/index.cgi?bo ... 1502071336
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby Virtual_Davey » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:02 am

I've installed your driver (now listed as USB Audio Mixer), but when I run USBPOKE.EXE nothing seems to happen, also I never hear any static when booting into windows. I thought that perhaps I need to install your usbwav.dll separately but when I attempt to copy it over into windows/system it tells me that it cannot copy or replace it because it's in use by windows.

When I attempt to install your High Definition Audio drivers I get this application error:
Exception ErangeError in module HDA2.DLL at 0001:0732. Range check error.
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby watlers world » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:41 am

I had some trouble with the driver earlier today. :roll:
It does sound like you may need to copy the newer version.

After you exit windows
cd system
erase usbwav.dll
cd..
win

Then copy the newest usbwav.dll to the /system directory.

When trying the HDA driver, did you run its DOS TSR before windows?
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby Virtual_Davey » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:03 am

watlers world wrote:I had some trouble with the driver earlier today. :roll:
It does sound like you may need to copy the newer version.

After you exit windows
cd system
erase usbwav.dll
cd..
win

Then copy the newest usbwav.dll to the /system directory.

When trying the HDA driver, did you run its DOS TSR before windows?


I did as you suggested, but now as I attempt to boot into windows I get this application error:
Progman caused a General Protection Fault in module KRNL386.EXE at 0001:1D60. But upon rebooting I get the original range error.
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby watlers world » Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:39 am

Although usbaud2 made the 3D SOUND light up, 123usb did not light up the 3DSOUND?

Although I have several computers, I do not own a HSTNC-002L-TC.
I'm unable to work with or test that system.

Both my Dell Dimension 2400 and HP Pavilion XT846 will play sound when using the Sabrent AU-MMSA.

After testing 123usb on a 180mhz computer, I see that 123usb can not play sound on that computer nor can Bret's drivers properly detect the Sabrent AU-MMSA (Just a beep).
Usbaud2.zip with the 3D SOUND did a little better on that computer.

Although My Realtek HDA driver worked on my X58, NFORCE4,MCP61 and nForce 630a boards, I guess it will not work on VIA.
Thank you for testing my drivers. :D
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby watlers world » Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:39 am

Since my cousin's Everex Impact C7-D has VIA USB controllers, I thought I might test my drivers from a thumb drive.
However, I found that when USBUHCI starts any one of the UHCI controllers, legacy support for ALL of the UHCI controllers turns off.
Virtual_Davey, does your computer work like that?
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby Virtual_Davey » Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:46 am

watlers world wrote:Since my cousin's Everex Impact C7-D has VIA USB controllers, I thought I might test my drivers from a thumb drive.
However, I found that when USBUHCI starts any one of the UHCI controllers, legacy support for ALL of the UHCI controllers turns off.
Virtual_Davey, does your computer work like that?


Yes, that's exactly how my computer behaves!
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby watlers world » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:02 am

Virtual_Davey, does your computer use a USB DOM as its primary disk drive?

On some newer computers, only one of the PS2 ports is wired up properly.
Are both the PS2 mouse and PS keyboard working for you?
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby Virtual_Davey » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:32 am

watlers world wrote:Virtual_Davey, does your computer use a USB DOM as its primary disk drive?

On some newer computers, only one of the PS2 ports is wired up properly.
Are both the PS2 mouse and PS keyboard working for you?



I use 1gb IDE Flash memory (internal), not USB DOM. Both of my PS2 ports are working. I have my mouse and keyboard connected to them.
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby watlers world » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:24 pm

My Sabrent USB sound device is so quiet that I have to use self-powered speakers to hear anything.
Your 3D SOUND has lights that flash when it is playing, so it should be easy to tell when it is on.

I have found that the windows 3.1 USBwav.dll driver works on these computers:
Dell Dimension E510,
Dell Dimension E310,
Dell Dimension 2400,
Everex Impact C7-D,
HP Pavilion XT846;

Within AUTOEXEC.BAT
USBUHCI /index=0
USBUHCI /index=1
USBUHCI /index=2
USBUHCI /index=3
USNDTSR
PCIUSB64

Within SYSTEM.INI
[drivers]
wave=usbwav.dll


My defective 3D SOUND did not make any noise when its lights flashed.
Have you checked the sound device on other computers?

For some reason, only the rear ports of the Everex Impact C7-D could detect the USB audio device. :?
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby Virtual_Davey » Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:46 am

I tested the sound device on my laptop and yes, it does work. I will try the rear ports on the back of my Dos computer and see what happens.
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby Virtual_Davey » Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:59 am

Some interesting findings today.

I put the 3D sound card in one of my rear ports and now I do hear the static noise you were referring to!

I activated USBPOKE and the the static turned off. I attempted to access my flash drive but it did not see it anymore (USBUHCI seems to disable my flash drive).

But the computer gives an "error beep" when it can't find the drive, and the "error beep" was coming from the 3D Sound Card! For the first time I was getting sound from my USB Sound Card!

I then copied a few games from my flash drive to the computer's C drive. But it seems that most of the games will not load (computer stays on, but monitor turns off).

I found a game that boots but the sound is not coming out the 3D Sound Card (though I see the sound card flashing). But the "error beeps" continue to be heard through the 3D Sound Card. Should USBPOKE disable the on board sound?

Also, I can no longer seem to exit windows to launch DOS. I can move my mouse cursor around, but can not click. Keyboard is no longer functional either. Must reboot to restore functionality.

EDIT- Upon further testing it seems I'm mistaken. Windows 3 games are working with sound from the 3D USB Card. No DOS games will launch from Windows 3 anymore while the 3D Sound Card is active however. So I'm unable to test those.
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby watlers world » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:58 am

Congratulations, Virtual_Davey!
You have described my driver very well.

Win16 does not run DOS applications, it just becomes inactive while they run.
Since my win16 driver is catching the USB interrupt, you can not switch to a DOS application.

Although I know of windows 3.1 emulators for systems like the spectrum,c64, or apple II,
I don't know of a good emulator for running DOS applications.

Although the Sabrent AU-MMSA works on USB 1.1 and 2.0 ports, it will not work on any of my USB 1.0 computers.

I have adjusted my driver to allow more programs to play.
http://turkeys4me.byethost4.com/files/123usb01.zip

Although most windows 3.1 programs will work with "Loop", programs that do not share the time slice may require "mmtimer".
For games such as Zone of Thunder, remember to enable mmtimer before you play.
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby Virtual_Davey » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:45 pm

Your new driver is very nice! Games that didn't work properly before (either only some game sound files were working or the game just would lock up) work perfectly now. For example, Monopoly Deluxe was giving me these problems but now it's perfect(using mmtimer). I can't find anything about a Zone of Thunder game, are you sure you've got the name correct?
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby watlers world » Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:28 am

Virtual_Davey, I think that version 02 corrects most of the crash-on-exit bugs.
http://win3x.conforums.com/index.cgi?bo ... 1502074622

If you have a windows exit sound assigned, you must exit windows with timer or mmtimer enabled.
Apparently Loop is closed before it can finish playing the Windows exit sound.

It might have been more helpful If I had just said Zoth1.zip.
http://cd.textfiles.com/cica/cica9608/d ... /ZOTH1.ZIP
http://cd.textfiles.com/cica/cica9608/d ... /ZOTH2.ZIP
http://cd.textfiles.com/cica/cica9608/d ... /ZOTH3.ZIP
http://cd.textfiles.com/cica/cica9608/d ... /ZOTH4.ZIP

If you would like to discuss windows 3.1 drivers and programs, feel free to post on http://win3x.conforums.com.

Thanks for the help.
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby Virtual_Davey » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:23 am

Upon further testing it seems that when I have the 3D sound card plugged in, it disables joystick support in DOS (I tested my sticks with THRUST and had no response). This is before activating the sound driver (which I would do in Windows 3.1). When the card is not inserted, joysticks function again.
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby watlers world » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:26 am

Do you think there is enough power to run both devices?
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Re: Have you heard from USB yet?

Postby Virtual_Davey » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:52 am

watlers world wrote:Do you think there is enough power to run both devices?


False alarm. It just appears that the joystick is only functional in certain usb ports (mainly the rear ports).

I'll try posting on your forums at http://win3x.conforums.com.
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