Global Warming

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Global Warming

Postby Bret » Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:24 am

The concept of mankind-generated global warming is nothing but a politically-motivated farce. There are many people around the globe who are gaining money, power, and fame as a result, but the reality is that there is no scientific evidence to support it. Here is a place to start studying the real scientific evidence (it's called "The Oregon Project"):

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p1845.htm

I remember when I was in school in the 1960's and 1970's the teachers were talking about "global cooling". They said that we were in the beginning stages of an ice age that would kill all life on earth. They said it was just part of the natural cycle of things, and there's nothing we could do about it. Since then, not only has mankind claimed that we are the cause of "global warming", but that we are the only thing that can "fix" it. It's not possible to reconcile those two extremes, either ethically or scientifically, especially since the "global cooling" panic happened right in the middle of the when all of the mankind-caused "global warming" was supposed to be accelerating.

This says a lot about man's arrogance and pride -- to actually believe that we can usurp God's control of the planet that he created. The "computer models" we use to describe the earth barely scratch the surface of its true complexity and beauty. We can't even predict the weather accurately from hour to hour for a single town, much less predict the weather patterns of the entire globe for decades or centuries or millenia.

There will be some good things, but probably many more bad things, that come as a result of the "global warming" panic. We've already got children and adults around the globe scared to death of drowning. Giving somebody like Al Gore a Nobel Peace Prize for promoting such tripe is worse than pathetic.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby chayim » Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:12 am

What do you mean "there's not scientific evidence to support it"? Of course there is. Perhaps what you meant to say was that there is also evidence against it. Scientific results are never as clear cut as that, and you need to look at the preponderance of the evidence. That is what statistics is for.

This says a lot about man's arrogance and pride -- to actually believe that we can usurp God's control of the planet that he created.


Hey, I'm Christian too. And I don't believe it is arrogant to think we can change the climate on the planet God created. I believe it irresponsible to think that we can do whatever we want and there will be no consequences. Of course we can change the environment. The question is how much.

If we were to detonate the entire nuclear arsenal, nobody would argue that we would not change the environment. We would solve the global warming problem immediately, with a nuclear winter. It would be weird to say that we could not change the environment unintentionally, if we could do so intentionally.

If we put enough CFC into the atmosphere, the ozone layer will disappear, starting at the South and North Poles. People in Australia and Europe will be the first to see increases in skin cancer. The ozone hole is real. We made it.

The arguments we see against global warming is exactly what DuPont was saying against ozone depletion 20 years ago. Nevertheless, 191 countries signed up to the Montreal Protocol. Two decades later, measurements have shown decreases in atmospheric concentrations of most ozone depleting chemicals.

If we dump enough poison into the environment, it will contaminate our water supply and poison ourselves, our kids, our neighbours. Frankly, that is unneighbourly and unChristian.

If we divert enough water flowing into a lake, it will eventually shrink and dissapear. Just have a look of a recent satellite photo of the Aral Sea.

If we burn the entire Amazon, we will turn it into a desert. Did the natives of Easter Island not change their environment but cutting down every last tree?

A couple of years ago, my entire country was covered in smoke. You couldn't see 1km at noon. Planes had trouble landing at the airport. Satellite photos shows the smoke coming from Indonesia next door. The fires from slash-and-burn forest clearing for palm oil plantations got out of control. After a few months, the fires were put out and the smoke cleared. Of course we could change the environment.

We can't even predict the weather accurately from hour to hour for a single town, much less predict the weather patterns of the entire globe for decades or centuries or millenia.


We can predict that the average temperature in London this December would be lower than the average temperature in June next year. Just draw a chart of the temperature over time. Actually looking at the chart, though it zig-zag up and down, you could see the trends.

It is unreasonable to demand unequivocal proof of global warming before we do anything about it. Imagine you are in the management office of a 100-floor building. There's a small fire on the 3rd floor. Do you put it out? The firemen spraying all those water will cause millions of dollars of water damage. Or do you demand that a study be carried out to evaluate if the fire is a risk to the entire building?

We take a short time (only a few seconds) to evaluate the problem, whether it was a crank call, whether we can put out the fire ourselves, or we need to call the fire department. Then we do it. We may make a mistake in calling the fire department unnecessarily. When they arrived ... "uh, we already put out the fire, sorry to trouble you" ... but to err in that direction is prudent. To err in the other direction is catastrophic, and irresponsible. I would not want that person in the management office of my building.

If we debate the problem endlessly, we would be making a choice. The choice to do nothing.

I sense the Bush administration is not acting in good faith. The strategy seems to be a "fighting retreat". We will hold this position as long as possible. Then we will withdraw a little, just a few steps back, and then defend that position. And so on. Delaying as long as possible.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Bret » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:40 am

There is real evidence that the average global temperature is increasing slowly. The question is whether or not anything mankind is doing is contributing significantly to it or not. The only basis for the role of mankind's major contribution is conjecture, opinion, and incomplete, flawed computer models. That is not science. The only thing mankind has ever been able to do accurately regarding weather is to track what has happened in the past, and try and extrapolate the results into the future. In spite of what you hear the scientists say, they are still a far cry from actually knowing what CAUSES global weather patterns. All they really do is track them, not predict them.

They know that solar phenomena, water vapor, and other things have thousands of times more effect on the temperature than carbon dioxide does, yet they say that carbon dioxide is the thing that's causing global warming and it will destroy the world? There's nothing scientific about that. Science is not based on a preponderance of evidence, as you suggest. If there is any evidence against a scientific theory, the theory is either incorrect or incomplete. Accepting a theory as a fact is not science, either.

You say in so many words that "we need to do something about global warming -- we can't just sit around and let it destroy the world -- it really doesn't matter what the root cause is". The problem with that line of thinking is that if mankind is not causing the problem, if it really is just a natural trend, there is nothing to fix. In fact, attempting to fix it would be irresponsible, futile, and even criminal -- the resources spent trying to resolve a problem that doesn't exist should be spent instead doing something that actually helps mankind.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby BastetFurry » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:00 pm

(Third post in this subforum, yay! ;) )

You should take into consideration that the polar shift, north and south pole switching places, is overdue.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby proxious » Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:56 pm

this is the most pressing problem now
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Re: Global Warming

Postby brandonmarkings » Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:05 pm

Global warming is viewed as a real problem. Many believe that the switch has already flipped. I don’t know, but maybe the solution lies not only in measures to reduce the output of green house gases but in active measures to reduce the amount of green house gases in the atmosphere.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby todd12 » Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:13 pm

increase in the atmosphere and green revolution also leds to global warming, so taken care to avoid deforestation also
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Re: Global Warming

Postby TessaRieben » Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:01 pm

Hi....

Global Warming is now become a n international issue..Global warming is caused by green house gases, which trap in the sun’s infrared rays in the earth’s atmosphere, which in turn heat up the earth’s atmosphere. These green house effect warming is called as global warming. The effects of green house effect are visible more prominently in the recent years, with number of natural calamities on the rise in the whole world.

The global warming has happened in the past few years and is evident from the rise in mean temperature of the earth’s atmosphere. The main causes for the global warming are attributed to release of green house gases by human activities. The main gases contributing to green house effect are carbon dioxide, water vapor, methane and nitrous oxide. The largest producers of these gases are the thermal power plants, which burn the fossil fuels and produce these gases in large quantities. The second biggest sources of these green house gases are the road vehicles and industries.

The global warming has led to increase in mean earth surface temperature and thus melting of polar ice. There are frequent melt down of glaciers that result in floods and other natural calamities. The melting of ice at the poles had led the mean sea level. And further increase in temperature may further melt the ice and lead to further increase in mean sea level, which will engulf low lying countries.

The effect of global warming is very evident on the animal kingdom also. Some animals have become extinct due to loss of their natural habitat or their inability to evolve to the rapid changes in the climate. Also there is a change in their life style because of the changes in the seasons. The migrating birds have changed their time of travel and also their place of migration.

The effect of global warming can be felt on seasons too. There is shift in season cycle, as the summers are getting longer than the winters. This has affected the animals and made them to change their lifestyle accordingly, and those who failed to do so have perished or on the verge of extinction.
The global warming is also responsible for the introduction of some new diseases. The bacteria are more effective and multiply much faster in warmer temperatures compared to cold temperatures. The increase in temperature has led to increase in the microbes that cause diseases.
Global warming is also effecting the crop production, as the crops are getting destroyed by the sudden change in temperatures or sudden on set of rains. Also the flash floods and other natural calamities affect the crop.

As a matter of fact, because of global warming, the earth’s atmosphere is getting more unpredictable with heavy rains in the areas, which have scanty rainfall or drought in the areas, which received good annual rainfall. The months of rainfall has also getting affected.

But there are some people on the other side of the wall also, they believe that the global warming is a natural process and cannot disturb our ecosystem. The earth’s surface mean temperature was even higher a long time ago, and the ecosystem has evolved from that temperature to this. So it can evolve further. But the changes that are happening now are rather fast compared to earlier times.


Thanks & regards
Tessa
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Re: Global Warming

Postby toddy » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:14 pm

BastetFurry wrote:(Third post in this subforum, yay! ;) )

You should take into consideration that the polar shift, north and south pole switching places, is overdue.


i think prevention of the activities like deforestation can also help to prevent it with a main and big thing, moreover i think its really a good think to grow more and more trees,the slogan should be avoid deforestation and spread the benefits of afforestation
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Re: Global Warming

Postby johnson33445 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:13 pm

yeah i agree with brandonmarking Global warming is viewed as a real problem. Many believe that the switch has already flipped. I don’t know, but maybe the solution lies not only in measures to reduce the output of green house gases but in active measures to reduce the amount of green house gases in the atmosphere.
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